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1. Remove the -20% - +5% bp/exp exchange penalty/bonus since this feature makes no sense at all. All players who do a 400 fight session pays the same amount of 250 mooncoins therefore all must receive what they earn through fights (bp/exp 1:1 ratio). I find it extremely annoying that I was penalized multiple times with -18-20% after good/great sessions ...
2. There are sometimes naked zombies in lower BEs, they should be either announced by the admins or remove them at all. Players who find them somehow (especially if the zombies are in higher BE) get an unfair advantage in terms of bp --> exp and gold compared to other players.
3. Enhance the search function so you can search for specific skills / stat ranges of zombies (e.g. if there are different 1h/armor zombies in a certain BE, but you can beat only one type then you should be able to find those only instead of browsing through 3-4 different type of zombies and after that you may even specify certain stat ranges). That would certainly save time for players on the battleground. It was already brought up by Villez in this topic https://moonid.net/forums/topic/7593/.

I would completely eliminate the battlefield

I am not in agreement with you. Progression would be extremely slow and boring and the game would be most probably dead.

The battle server is what's killing the game, and many people are saying this.

If I remember this theme was disscused 6 months ago and many active and top players on different servers supported idea about open a new server without battle server:
https://moonid.net/forums/topic/7430/

To get 100 attacks a day, you have to play for almost 12 hours day.The game creates an addiction mechanism. This happens at the expense of your personal life. In theory, you don't have to, but in practice, the environment creates enormous pressure, especially when your opponents are playing BS all day.

Playing on a battle server often leads to complete burnout, meaning it defeats the purpose of the game. I personally know many people who have abandoned the game for this very reason. Right now, instead of playing on their home server, everyone is clicking zombies on BS all day, which makes no sense to me.

Remember, BS (formerly BattleServer) was introduced around 2012. This wasn't the case before, and the activity on the servers was enormous.

I believe it's a myth that only rapid leveling up is enjoyable. Building stats and gradual progression is also enjoyable.

Personally, I'm so tired of INT 7 that I won't create an INT 8 account again. I remember those "pseudo zombies" perfectly, giving x3 exp and x3 gold. Later, naked zombies appeared instead. After a few months of making 100 attacks a day, I'm tired of INT 7. Sure, I have a strong account, but I know the cost of building it, how much time it took, and I have no intention of repeating that on INT 8.

The BG was added to solve a problem of what to do with high level players who had no targets to hit and had no way to keep their levelling progress up once they got to the top.
The XP rise is huge when you get to the "higher levels" 150+; and daily missions for a non-prem is up to 30 a day only.
The decision to monetise the BG is what's broken the game balance - and lets be honest who actually finds BG sessions "fun" for either 100 or 400 session?

Lots of people made lots of very good suggestions on what could be considered for alteration on the BG, on here and on Discord. and other than "oh those're good ideas" we've heard nothing from CRATR. (makes one question why bother!)

We're still waiting on any info on the new battle system - nothing since it failed to materialise and a "wishlist" post back in October.

With the allowed stagantion, the apparent inability to deliver clear messaging to their users & the apparent inability to manage a software project through to conclusion - I have very little hope for things.

I agree with abolishing the battlefield. At most, we could go back to the old battlefield without zombies. Only combat between the living.

I've had disagreements with Apulus many times, but I have to admit he's absolutely right this time.

I'd like to see us return to old and good days of KF. That's what Apulus says – without a battle server, or with only live players, no zombies, where "honorable" duels would take place with players from other servers (without gold or experience).

Like JDA, I also agree with Apulus, even though he was my opponent on the forum last time.

I really don't understand why CRATR always opens the same servers and don't want to open just ONLY ONE CLASSIC SERVER WITHOUT BS.

Obviously they can't remove BS completely for all servers, because there would be no progress for high level players. That's their only way do any attacks now.

Feels like a bit like being 'online' but playing single player in FIFA.

I would prefer 1 server with no BS. Anyone who wishes to join can do it.
If someone likes spending 10hrs a day searching 5 pages to find the right target... well nothing changes for them.

Give us a choice. 90% of players will have accounts on other servers with BS, so they'll be a part of that rat race anyway.

But there are some who enjoy building a character, stats and rank position. Not just levelling up and buying new equipment.
Give us space to do it.

At the moment. Top 5 leaves everyone behind = gets boring.
Those not playing BS or doing some fights with negative exp stay on lower levels.. additionally there are hardly any new players joining... (unless you count and include [M] ''Wizards'' multi farm accounts... so it gets boring on low levels too

I agree with the previous speakers that we need a different kind of server, not the same one all the time. In my opinion, diversity is the strength of any structure, not its weakness. There are many players who would really like to play the classic KnightFight again. I am one of them. I will not repeat the same arguments, because everyone who plays KnightFight feels exactly the same and faces similar problems.

The last classic server (without Battle Ground/Battle Server) was operational 14-15 years ago. It is worth returning to the beginnings of this game. Greetings to all who remember those old days of KnightFight ⚔️⚔️.

"We need changes in KnightFight before INT 7 start"

There were many good suggestions made on this thread started by GarlWar, suggestions made by me, Gaja, etc.

I will repeat what I said to a player in private:

For me, it's unrealistic to imagine that the battleground will disappear. First of all, because some players, as crazy as it may seem, like it and are used to it, so they'll never want to do without it. And also because it's an important source of income for CRATR. Well, yes, let's not kid ourselves, it's a key factor in the decision-making process...

Now, I've already proposed some solutions:

• Reduce the negative impact of the Battleground while maintaining the positive impact. Halve the time spent there without affecting the rewards.

Currently, if I take the most expensive session:

• 400 attacks over 7 days, 5 minutes between each attack, 100 maximum per day. That's more than 8 hours per day to complete the 100 attacks. Let's imagine that in this configuration, you earn 2BP and 250 gold per fight (just an example).
  That makes 400 attacks: 2BP x 400 fights = 800BP and 250 gold x 400 fights = 100,000 gold.

New configuration:

• 200 attacks over 7 days, 5 minutes between each attack, 50 maximum per day. We halve the time spent to complete the 100 attacks. And we double the gain. 4BP and 500 gold per fight.
  That makes 200 attacks: 4BP x 200 fights = 800BP and 500 gold x 200 fights = 100,000 gold.

Same gain, same “positive” impact on progression, but halves the “negative” impact by limiting the time spent on the Battleground.

I would add the ability to perform more precise searches. We've all found a good zombie build that suits us, but struggled to refresh the page to find others. Let's make it less tedious by allowing searches by skill points, etc.

• And for those who want a “classic” experience, go launch a “classic” server. No Battleground, no possibility of exchanging Mooncoins for Gold. The ideal would be even no Mooncoin equipment, just equipment costing Gold, and may the best player win.

@Twenry114

And for those who want a “classic” experience, go launch a “classic” server. No Battleground, no possibility of exchanging Mooncoins for Gold. The ideal would be even no Mooncoin equipment, just equipment costing Gold, and may the best player win.

How are the operators supposed to finance such a server?

Through the revenue streams of their servers, where an Battle server is possible?

And also because it's an important source of income for CRATR. Well, yes, let's not kid ourselves, it's a key factor in the decision-making process.

That answers your question. The Battle Server is a constant source of income, depending on which attack packages are chosen for it. Neither premium armor nor a premium game itself with more missions, etc., provides such a consistent income stream as the BS. Servers are dying out, but the BS isn't.

The options to play without BS, without premium, without premium equipment already exist, but then you're no longer competitive with other players who use them.

I have a knight from 2017, no premium, hardly any BS, standard equipment. It took nine years to get her to level 120 without any advantages from premium or BS. Is she competitive with today's characters? No, she isn't. I play Knight Fight as I have time and inclination. Sometimes two to three hours, sometimes not at all. And if I can attack special zombies on the BS, like right now, I'll play more. I'll take advantage of that while they're available. And let's be honest. Who wants to spend so much time leveling a character from scratch, like I did, without all the perks like BS and Premium?

Looking at my low-level characters, I'm practically an exception in KF. Because I mostly play them without premium features and with minimal Battleserver. And then it can take years to level up. And you really want a server without premium features and BS, that allows you to level up faster? That requires a lot of patience and perseverance.

So why is Veligrad dying out after only about 5 months?

This balance is one of the reasons; it wasn't well-received because it's more like winning the lottery than something you really have to understand. Hardly anyone wants that.

Continually duplicating a server according to old patterns might keep KF alive longer, but the player base dwindles because no one wants to start from scratch every time, only to find the server dying out again after a year.

Changes to the game itself are necessary. Equipment for higher levels, for example, amulets is only available up to level 211.

This is where changes to the game itself come in. BS only goes up to KP 99, which corresponds to about level 350. So, technically, that's where you reach the end of the game. I don't think there's any equipment available at those levels for a long time. And since the game's ending is known, you can take your time leveling up, like I did ^^

And yes, that's turned into quite a lot of lines again ^^.....

I made an alternative suggestion that the BG remained as a thing, but with a limit of the number of attacks per week. Capped at a "sensible" number to avoid exploitation / the boring playloop.
Mc sessions cut the wait time between fights but don't allow extra battles - let's remove ptw mechanisms.

It's populated with "real builds" from all the worlds - once a <month/quarter/timeperiod> our knights are copied and moved into the BG.

We then attack real players - real builds - and we can measure up how good our builds actually are across the whole game.
End of time period it's wiped & a fresh copy and load is done.

A nominal gold reward for a win is supplied as now.
Xp rewards as per home worlds (including -ve Xp).
No gold rewards hitting 10 levels down and 10% drop per level lower
Players get gold and xp paid at the end of their weekly fight limit - to avoid a weekly free for all on the home worlds. Or some other "collect" mechanism to allow for player control of gold returned to the home world.

If the new battle system is released then this remains valid still for bragging rights. Less valid if we have a huge world merge/consolidation.

How are the operators supposed to finance such a server?

Raise the prices of premium content and in-game items. Players interested in development will still buy MC.

*We'll keep BS, but then we can ONLY fight real players, not bots (we're only reducing the price of the packages to FREE/50MC/100MC).

Mainserver:

*Let's add 10-minute premium missions - From the 2-hour pool, you can purchase a 10-minute mission for 10MC, granting twice as much gold and experience, and a GUARANTEE that the mission won't fail.

*Let's add the option to purchase (on the Premium page) an additional 1-hour mission - in packages identical to the premium and tavern packages (10 days/30 days). The best players tend to spend more time on BS than 3 hours a day anyway, but then they'll spend more time on the main server.

*Add experience packs gained in battles (with the options above), which grant 2 points for a loss and 4 for a win - then players will fight more on the main server.

*Add discounts on purchasing stats. 500 wins get a 2% discount, 1000 wins get a 5% discount, 5000 wins get a 10% discount, 10K wins get a 15% discount, 25K wins get a 20% discount, and 50K wins get a 25% discount. Use what MonsterGame already has. This will encourage players to play on the main server.

@p_b

Very good, I agree.

Preserving the existing game worlds can be achieved through more variety, including events within these games like server wars.

Bonus promotions, such as paying 30-50% less Moon Coins when purchasing attack packs from time to time, are also an incentive.

More clarity in the battleground, as Doom already mentioned, through better tiering, a search function based on skill level, for example, which then displays suitable opponents.

Implementation of an additional battleground, such as an arena exclusively for real players, which can only be started when a certain number of players have registered. Arenas can be opened based on KP. Players can create an arena, enter the KP range, and anyone interested can join. The arena maintains its own high score. Something similar exists in MG, for example. It would be an alternative to a battle server based on the very old, earlier models of KF.

This Arena button should be placed in the area where you find the Estate - Merchant - Bazaar - Tavern - Mission etc. The Arena is separate from the Battleserver itself. A player enters the gold amount and the KP range. Every player must pay this gold amount to participate in the Arena battle.

The winner receives the total gold amount paid by all Arena participants. This could also be set up for teams, such as 2-player or 4-player teams.

1st place = total gold profit from all deposited gold amounts
2nd place = a specific amount of Moon Coins
3rd place = 5 to 10 days of premium subscription

If something like this existed in KF, it would be significantly more popular. It might even be possible to have cross-server functionality.

Constantly creating new game worlds cannot be KF's long-term solution.

Hi, I'm returning to KF, and I'm also strongly in favor of creating a new server without the battlefield. They could do this with the next one—since all the other servers have it, it would be worth trying out to see how it goes.

OBS.: A Brazilian player on the Portugal server.

Hello El Matador,

Thank you for "digging" this topic up from the depths of obscurity, where it lay forgotten.

I share your opinion. I say this as a "compulsive" Battle Server (BS) player.

I have one of the strongest accounts on INT 7, I have all the medals for the highest achievements, and I do over 2,000 battles a month, sometimes even 3600. Despite this, I consider Battle Server a perversion of the game. At a certain point, you do it automatically and mindlessly. The game becomes a jumble of clicks.

I remember KnightFight well before 2011 and how many people left the game due to the introduction of BS.

I really don't understand why players can't have a real right to choose a server – the traditional one (without BS) or the speed version (with BS). At this moment we have only speed version. I consider this a huge flaw in KnightFight.

You can definitely play on the current servers without participating in Battlegrounds ; that’s exactly what I usually do—or perhaps I’ll play 100 matches on other servers if I need new gear. The only exception is INT 7; I spend a lot of time on the battlefield there. Yet, even though that character is higher level, the build is weaker compared to my lower-level characters that have better builds—characters I rarely play in BGs.

Sure, my characters are lower level—most people would probably call them average. But they were built up almost exclusively through missions, without any significant involvement in Battlegrounds.

So, it is entirely possible to play on the current servers this way, even if you can't keep up with players who grind BGs excessively.

I’ve never cared what others say about my characters. Still, it’s amusing that it never occurred to them on their own that I leveled these characters without BGs—and leveling a character that way simply takes longer.

As I’ve mentioned in other posts: it’s difficult to launch a server like that without the financial security provided by BGs—and BG revenue is more consistent than income from premium purchases.

If you want to get a server like that off the ground, you need players. But the numbers are dropping. Times are changing—and not for the better.

From that perspective, it makes no difference whether I’m clicking my way through Battlegrounds or PvP; ultimately, it’s just clicking. The only real difference is that victories in Battlegrounds guarantee a steady flow of gold, whereas that isn't always the case in PvP.

Nimoe, my love. You have an interesting playstyle, and your proposal sounds appealing. However, I'd like you to understand my point of view.

Of course, I can play on the newest server without BS. But practically no one wants to be a pariah of the server, a man who flew here from the moon. For a player with ambition, even moderate ambition, not using the available options is unacceptable. That's why players buy premium or new weapons. Because they're available on the market. Simple, right? No one wants to impose restrictions on themselves. I play on BS because everyone does. If we all disable BS, I will too.

Playing on a traditional server (without BS) isn't as engaging as on speed servers. You definitely won't be able to fight 100 times a day. There won't be as many players, especially not at your level. Furthermore, the entire server will be in constant combat 🔥 (like in the first two weeks of a new server). Therefore, you have no chance of getting 100 or 200 experience points every day like on the BS. Your game will take you about 1 hour, maybe 2 per day. Instead of 10-12 hours like it is now.

The traditional server will provide more opportunities for casual players; the skill gap between them and the super-active players won't be as significant.

Furthermore, everyone will focus on the home server. Remember the first two weeks of INT 6 and 7, when the competition was confined to the home server. Those were the best moments in the game. There was no BS at all, and everyone was playing.

Nimoe, I understand your arguments, which is why I'm talking about opening only one traditional server; the remaining 200 can continue operating under the same rules.

Pax et Bonum.

ElMatador, I also returned to the game about three months ago after a long break. I'd love to play on a server like the one you're talking about. Without a battlefield. Considering how many fights other players have completed and how long it took them, the prospect isn't very encouraging. Seriously, is there anyone who enjoys fighting naked zombies, or even interacting with bots instead of real players?