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moonID.net - Please discuss stuff about moonID hereAnnouncements → ⚔️ Battleground Update ⬇️

cvd CRATR.games
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 9:24 p.m.
Edited by cvd Oct. 15, 2025, 9:33 p.m.

KnightFight lives – and that’s because of you!
Your activity, your feedback, and your drive to push the game forward have given the old steel its shine again. For that – our thanks and respect. ⚔️

Yesterday, a Battleground update went live too early – that wasn’t planned, and we take full responsibility.
Normally, we announce major changes in advance – and that’s exactly how it will stay.

The reaction afterward was freezing cold – and we get it. That’s why we decided to roll the update back and take a fresh look. Not out of weakness, but because we believe that true strength lies in listening.

We also know that we need more transparency. We’ll work on improving this with weekly updates about the current situation. One thing’s clear: we can only move forward together.

Many of you have long wanted KnightFight to focus more on the Homeworld and let the Battleground take its rightful, secondary place. We see it the same way – and we’re fully behind that. The Battleground system also faces some technical limitations (the infamous Fightpotential 99), which currently prevent us from expanding it further.

With the Battleground reduction came the main concern that the KnightFight engine now feels like it’s stalling – and that there needs to be some balance, like stronger Homeworld rewards or new mission incentives.

That’s exactly where we’re heading next. Let’s forge this path together – hard, honest, and with open visors.
KnightFight has always lived from players who fight, stand tall, show character, and bring creativity to the game.

We’re looking forward to your ideas.

Your CRATR.games / KnightFight Team

Before anyone asks:
There will be a direct refund for all MoonCoins spent in the Battleground during the affected period.

Rym
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 9:45 p.m.
Edited by Rym Oct. 15, 2025, 10:38 p.m.

CVD, are you serious?

If you reverse these changes in Battleground, I will delete all my accounts on various servers, moonID, and quit this game.

At the beginning of September, as CRATR, you made two promises:

  1. to limit the battlefield;
  2. to equalize the odds in 1h vs. 2h combat (so-called balance).

Acting in good faith, I spent 400 euro on this game 1.5 month ago. Please check my spending history. I did this because you encouraged me with your promises.

What is the result? Promise No. 2 has not been fulfilled. You are trying to back out of Promise No. 1.

If change no. 1 is indeed reversed, I will never spend another euro on this game. If you think you have better customers and have the right to lie to players and mislead them, then go ahead. Without me and my money.

There are many more games like KnightFight.

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cvd CRATR.games
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 9:50 p.m.
Edited by cvd Oct. 16, 2025, 5:25 p.m.

Hello Rym,
I hear you — and yes, I’m serious.

The truth is: we’re not trying to reverse our direction — we’re trying to find a solution that works for everyone, not just one side of the battlefield. The 1H vs. 2H topic and the Battleground balance are both deep systems that affect the entire game economy, guild wars, and player fairness. That’s why we decided to pause and open the discussion before locking things in.

We’re working on adjustments that will keep the Battleground meaningful, but also give the Homeworld the strength it deserves. And yes — the balance update (1H vs 2H) is still on our table. It just needs to be handled together with the other systems, not in isolation.

You’ve invested a lot — time, effort, and money — and we don’t want that to feel wasted. But the path forward has to be fair and sustainable for all players, old and new.

We’ll share a concrete plan in the next weekly update, so everyone knows exactly what’s next. That’s the level of transparency we owe you — and we’ll deliver it.

⚔️ CVD / CRATR.games

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Rym
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 10:33 p.m.

CVD, in my eyes, you've completely lost credibility by abandoning the change you implemented.

I looked at my Spanish ES 1 server. You've restored the previous battlefield system. Therefore, to be consistent, tomorrow I'm completely deleting my moonID and all my accounts, including the one on INT 7, in which I invested several hundred euros. I'll do this around 5:00 PM so everyone can still read and comment on my posts.

You deceived us – a group of players who believed in your promises. Despite the fact that the vast majority of players supported your changes. All it took was a backlash from three German players on the German forum for you to suddenly abandon all your projects and positive changes.

This doesn't bode well for the future. 3 German players will say "NEIN" again, and suddenly a CRATR message will appear: "Sorry, changes reverted."

I don't want to be part of a community where the game administration treats players this way.

sasquach
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 4:52 a.m.

Bravo and thanks for measuring fairness to your many players instead of just a few

Twenry114
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 10:48 p.m.

Contrary to the narrative that some will try to sell, it wasn't “three German players” who were dissatisfied with the update. It was a multitude of players of all nationalities (incidentally, I find reducing them to their nationality problematic...). It was many players of all nationalities. In my guild alone, no one was satisfied with this update. On Discord, almost all of the feedback was negative. On the German forum thread and the English forum thread, apart from 2-3 players (yes, really), everyone was unhappy with this update.

So I congratulate CRATR for listening to the majority who were unhappy with this update. It's not so easy to accept that there may have been a mistake. And as CVD said, that doesn't mean that Battleground won't change. It means that, until a better formula is found, we're going back to the one that everyone knows and which, while not perfect, has worked so far. I'm the first to want Battleground to change, but not just any old way. For me, this update missed the point. Battleground still took too much time. Nobody wants to spend too much time on it. So rather than sticking with a bad version, it was better to go back to the one that had been working until now.

I think it's the right decision and it will allow them to get back to work properly.

ZoooM
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 11:07 p.m.

I’m fully with Twenry114 and CVD on this one. The rollback was the right call — and calling it a betrayal or a lie is pure exaggeration.

Let’s get one thing straight: the Battleground change wasn’t removed because “three German players” complained. That’s just nonsense. The backlash came from everywhere: Discord, both forums, multiple servers. The overwhelming majority of players disliked how that update felt. Ignoring that would’ve been arrogance, not leadership.

CVD didn’t “abandon promises.” They hit pause, listened, and rolled back a rushed update that clearly wasn’t ready. That’s what responsible developers do. The alternative — forcing through a broken system just to save face — would’ve been far worse for everyone.

And Rym, threatening to delete all your accounts because an update got reverted? That’s not feedback, that’s theatrics. You can’t claim to want fairness and balance, then turn around and say the devs should ignore everyone else’s experience just to protect your personal investment.

No one likes seeing their money or time feel undervalued, but that doesn’t mean the devs “lied.” They’re doing what most studios don’t: owning up to a mistake, refunding players, and communicating openly. That deserves respect.

NocnySokol
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 11:25 p.m.
Edited by NocnySokol Oct. 15, 2025, 11:31 p.m.

I agree with CVD that more focus should be on Homeworld.

The initial change to limit an impact of BS on homeworld was good in my opinion. Maybe not implemented in the best way, maybe too quick, maybe there is some room for further improvements.
But the direction is good.

There is no magic solution that will satisfy everyone.

Sorgar
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Posted Oct. 15, 2025, 11:45 p.m.

All right, so if we're going back to 100 battles a day in the arena, please log out of the game automatically after 30 minutes on the server. Players who want to do 100 battles can do so, but they should actually spend their time clicking, not using the auto-click system. That would be very fair.

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PaPPaS
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 12:21 a.m.

Sorgar, I wish you'd come to me one day so I could teach you this game. I'm really good at teaching and the math of the game. There are no such programs in this game; you're just dreaming and slandering people.

PS: This guy has accused my clan and me before. I think he'll keep talking because accusing others goes unpunished :) (timeouts, etc.).

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LordWrona
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 8:40 a.m.

Ad personam, what for?

Also ignorance: yes, there are programs, you just don't know about them. It's also not difficult to write something like this.

Lightning1
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 6:30 a.m.

I agree with an update reverse if the recent last update got some problems or it's in need to a future fixing.

( Before i continue my message all players "must read again" rule number 1 for all games, and with attention possibly...

  1. Players have no legal claim to a game account. )

So if they spent real money it's players problem, not developers.
Do players know how difficult can be to code a game?
I wonder they don't know about that. Testing/bugs/etc... Sometimes requires weeks, they can't do everything in 3 days...
About leaving or deleting their accounts it's players choices imo, but saying things like: then i delete all my things etc it seems like a child acting/behaviour/threats).
Definitely i don't understand what they have against the game or developing. That's just exaggeration.

p_b
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 11:22 a.m.

I figured I'd add my comments here rather than discord as this seems to be a nicer place to collate it all.

I'm not sure I "get" the part about weakness in the announcement, but I do appreciate the ownership that as a company you folks got it wrong.
Hopefully going forwards we don't hit any of these roadbumps again.

I also appreciate that you took swift action and have returned this "as was" quickly.

(I accept a few folks will be short of XP/Money from their BG sessions they started, but the same happens if you forget to hit tavern or go on holiday, so I think we'll all survive)

Looking forward to hearing some more ifo about the new Homeworld plans - I think changes there are likely to be the best way to breathe some life back into our old worlds.

Rym
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 11:32 a.m.

@ CVD

I kindly request if you could manually delete my moonID, as I can't do it in-game. I can see only message that I have accounts in other games (1914, Funny Garden, Slayer of Souls), even though I don't have any accounts there.

Therefore, I request your manual action.

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cvd CRATR.games
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 5:08 p.m.
Edited by cvd Oct. 16, 2025, 5:25 p.m.

Hello Rym -
Of course, we can manually delete your moonID account for you.
Before we proceed, though — is there anything that might change your mind? You’ve been a great player and nice person, a real help to others in the community, and it would be sad to see you go.

If you still prefer to delete your account, just confirm here and we’ll take care of it right away.

Warm regards,
CVD

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Rym
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Posted Oct. 16, 2025, 7:42 p.m.

Considering your satanic in-game message inviting me to join the "Hell" guild, I am 100% convinced that I have no desire to continue playing here and financially supporting your policies.

Please delete my entire moonID, along with the 14,000 coins in my account.

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